deckard97 wrote:Here is a conceptual mock-up of a possible Timeline Module for Modul8.
With the engine behind Modul8 and the upcoming v2.5, Modul8 with a timeline and multiple outputs could pose a serious threat to the likes of Dataton Watchout, Hippotizer, Pandora's Box Media Server, etc. Most of these systems cost from 10K$ US to 25K$ US to get going.
Modul8 with a timeline and a fast PCI Express Mac could make an awesome setup.
This Timeline is very basic, its elements are a set of layers, already found in Modul8, but presented on a timeframe, so we can see the length of the medias presented, called Sprites.
Each Sprite can have as many Keyframes as one wishes, these Keyframes act as modifiers for the Modul8 interface, just as a MIDI controller would.
The asset of Keyframes is tremendous, it means that one can set a Keyframe at the begining of a Sprite with a few attributes (scale, opacity, x, y, z positions, etc) and set another keyframe 10 seconds later and where some of these attributes are changed. The Timeline Module would then interpret every frame in between and make for some pretty cool effects.
Sprites can be stretched as long as the composition goes. Choices if the media ends could be to loop, play backwards or simply stop, maybe even time stretch.
Playback Keyframes are playback conditions, such as "Pause", "Loop on frame", or "Skip to Marker", etc. They could also toggle layers ON or OFF.
We might have to consider a "MASTER" layer, which would affect every layers.
My Python Kung-Fu is probably not up to snuff for such a Module, but if nobody is interested in investing time developping it, I'll probably give it a try.
In october 2006 we enter another stage of the creation process of a play we are working on and having Modul8 with a Timeline Module would be a terrific asset.[/img]
The Midi Thief wrote:Not trying to take anything away from Zoophar's initiative but why does so many people want Modul8 to be a timeline based program? Modul8 is the EXACT OPPOSITE, it's a timeline FREE program for live performance. There are other softwares better suited for timeline based triggering for theathres and such. QLab is one example (http://figure53.com/qlab/).
I personally don't want the Garagecube team to bother with a timeline. It's a small team and a timeline project would waste a lot of time in development. Time I rather see them spend on other things on the user's most wanted list. I am in the belief that moving towards a timeline would make the Garagecube team take the wrong direction and make Modul8 loose ground as a live performace tool. Many of us are already complaining about lack of features and slow development. A timeline sure would't help Modul8 to grow as a live performace tool. Be careful what you ask for - you might create a monster.
So, now that's been said, sorry for the rant but I thought it was necessary. Garagecube are spending time on other things than Modul8, like The Mad Mapper. But that's a good thing. A lot of us has asked for better video mapping features and now some of those things are being moved to the Mad Mapper Software instead of clogging up Modul8 with video mapping features. And since The Mad Mapper will work with other VJ softwares, it will strengthen Garagecube's position on the market which is good for us all.
Zoophar, sorry for hijacking your thread. I will check out your module and see how well it does. I rather actually rather see this as a module even if it currently isn't possible to make a timeline module that is as good as one integrated in the M8 interface. Maybe the solution is to create more options for us module makers to make more advanced modules. I don't really know the limitations to this but that would be an interesting discussion to start with.
Vibber wrote:Examples of a timeline app would be Ableton Live or alternatively I have also been considering QLab for this.
vanakaru wrote:Thank you! I think exactly the same.
I feel that most people who require new features all the time are not the *power users* or *pro* users. For them this is like a toy where you you want something hew all the time. Personally I do not see real use for timeline. Also screen estate is limited already, so where I would keep tis huge module.
And I think and have said it many times before lets Modul8 stay compact and coherent as it is - not to scatter all over the video market.
nikon wrote:Atm i think im a pro user, i work constantly in Poland on shows like global gathering, godskitchen, tiesto, armin and other big events with crap trance music. Belive me there is a need for a light vj software, with a timeline that can be controled by dmx, output audio/video and dont cost 10k$.
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