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[Vibber]

OK I just wrote that to get your attention - I know how the 'layerset + position' mapping works.

But does anybody use it in real life?
Please tell me if you have ever used it, and why it is a good thing

[tdog]

OK I just wrote that to get your attention - I know how the 'layerset + position' mapping works.

But does anybody use it in real life?
Please tell me if you have ever used it, and why it is a good thing

actually....... it's jargon to me. a fuller explanation of what the midi settings mean/do would be much appreciated.

tdog.

[te-c]

I try to explain it again to you.

Hope I'm not the only one who use this mapping mode.

I'm working with the Behringer BCF 2000 midi controller who gives me possibility to use different presets. So I can change the functionality of all my settings for the knobs, buttons and fader.

In modul8 I often use different layersets (sometimes 1-5 in each group).

The faders of the controller I use for the alpha settings in modul8.

So in layerset 1:
The first fader of the first layer gets the CH/CC 1/101 in preset 1 on the controller.
The second fader of the second layer gets the CH/CC 1/102 in preset 1 on the controller. and so on

So in layerset 2:
The first fader of the first layer gets the CH/CC 2/101 in preset 2 on the controller.
The second fader of the second layer gets the CH/CC 2/102 in preset 2 on the controller. and so on

So if you change the layerset in modul8 the motorized faders jump to the settings of modul8.

Hope this helps. I think it makes only sense if you have motorized faders.

[ilan]

Here is an example using a knob on your MIDI controller mapped to the Z rotation of x layer, x layer being any layer in the layer stack.

Position:
In any layerset the knob will rotate x layer on its Z axis.

Layerset + Position:
The knob will only rotate x layer in just ONE of the layer sets, the one you specify when creating the mapping.

Note to self:
It might be a good idea to disable being able to change layer sets when in 'position' mode, similar to how it is not possible to access mapping layerset and master controls while in 'position' and 'layerset + position.'

Note to everyone:
You should be aware that it is possible to multi-bind a control, i.e. a knob mapped in 'position' can also be mapped in 'layerset + position.' As they are only visible separately withn each mapping mode this can sometimes cause confusion.

[Vibber]

Ok people, thanx for enlightening me.
As far as I can see it all boils down to the old 'avoiding jumps' issue doesn't it? By mapping every Modul8 control to a unique physical button, you avoid values jumping when switching to another layer set.

What if the 'jumps' were not an issue. Would the 'layerset + position' mapping still find any use?

[ilan]

What do you mean by jumps? Can you provide an example?

[Vibber]

By 'jumps' I mean the effect you get when the physical slider/dial is in another position than the corresponding control in Modul8. When you touch the slider, the Modul8 value changes suddenly to that value.

The main reason to use 'layerset + position' mapping is to avoid this discrepancy? Right?

[ilan]

The 'quickest' way to avoid jumps is to use a MIDI controller of the Behrhinger BCF variety (or other controllers) that provide MIDI feedback.

The 'workaround' would be to do as you say, switch to a 'position' somewhere in Modul8 where the slider will not affect anything, adjust the slider to a position that you would have to remember and then switch to the 'position' where the control is setup for... in other words, impossible unless you practice the routine a whole lot.



Here is a rather interesting artifact of how I memorize where I should position sliders in preparation for part of a particular show. I have it in my mediaset. The media is never projected, but just there so I can see it within the interface.

[Vibber]

@Ilan - and incidentally I am asking because I am currently working on a module that provides midi feedback (for the Behringer BFC, the Novation and other Midi devices).

I was asking because I don't really see the point of 'position + layerset' functionality and I am thinking I don't have to implement it in my module.

[ilan]

@vibber - thank you for the clarification. I agree that you probably do not need to implement that since you are cooking up a custom solution for yourself. Look forward to seeing your when when you are done. Could be a good one for the blog?